F/IC Installation Notes: Honda Civic 06-07

[z0n3]

If you mean not under boost as in when the car was stock; they did not use the fic before the turbo was put on. I know that they have been able to make the afr a good ratio under 5000rpms but not over 5000rpms. I am not sure if this is when the turbo really starts to kick in or what. I will ask them come monday about that.

I would take boost out of the equation first.

See if they can successfully change AFR without boost across all rpms til maybe 6,000 rpm (civic FD1 should be able to go above 6,300 rpm when stock).

And see if they can retard timing without boost across RPMs as well.  You will see power loss, but you shouldn't be worries since boost is not activated yet.

The key is to test everything under safe conditions.

Cheers.

[rustickicks]

I think removing the turbo just to test the f/ic is a little too much. the car has been in the shop for two weeks now. a week overdue just because of tuning issues. the basemap they have been using for the kit from TSI has not been working. I'm sure the car works without the turbo its just a matter of the shop's knowledge of the fic.

[z0n3]

I think removing the turbo just to test the f/ic is a little too much. the car has been in the shop for two weeks now. a week overdue just because of tuning issues. the basemap they have been using for the kit from TSI has not been working. I'm sure the car works without the turbo its just a matter of the shop's knowledge of the fic.

no need to remove turbo.. just don't let boost kick in.

the shop would know how to do it.

btw, does the shop tune the FIC? or they just cut and paste everything from TSI?

[rustickicks]

the shop does tune fic but they don't do many tuner cars they are more muscle car oriented and this is definitly their first 08 civic. there aren't  any other tuners in my area (vermont) besides them.

and are you saying don't let boost kick in as in keep it at 0psi. because I'm pretty sure the turbo kicks in well before 5000rpms. its the gt28r turbo

[z0n3]

the shop does tune fic but they don't do many tuner cars they are more muscle car oriented and this is definitly their first 08 civic. there aren't  any other tuners in my area (vermont) besides them.

and are you saying don't let boost kick in as in keep it at 0psi. because I'm pretty sure the turbo kicks in well before 5000rpms. its the gt28r turbo

*nod*

they will be able to let boost "out" such that it doesn't enter your engine don't worry about that

[rustickicks]

ok and what if they are successful above and below 5000rpms. your saying that it would be the boost that would be screwing up the tuning? I would imagine that if that is the problem then this box that blocks the map sensor should work. but what if it doesn't work?

[z0n3]

ok and what if they are successful above and below 5000rpms. your saying that it would be the boost that would be screwing up the tuning? I would imagine that if that is the problem then this box that blocks the map sensor should work. but what if it doesn't work?

hi rustickicks

that's why the testing needs to be perform systematically to find the root cause

[fel1979]

We have too many SI here in Brazil, and all of our customers are complaning, we have used in the past Perfect Power, but the tool is really bad.

- Is it posible to change VTEC entry point?
- Could we advance timing as well or only retard?
- Is it possible to change the REV Limiter?
- Could we remove the speed limit as well?
- Is worth to use in NA cars?

Regards
Felipe

[SB]

- Is it posible to change VTEC entry point?
It may be possible, but the stock ECU does more than just turn on the VTEC solenoid when it goes into VTEC mode. Taking direct control of the VTEC solenoid without knowing what fueling or timing changes are happening when the stock ECU tries to activate the VTEC solenoid could make it much more difficult to tune the car. We do not recommend it.


- Could we advance timing as well or only retard?
Retard only.


- Is it possible to change the REV Limiter?
No. If you were to trick the stock ECU into thinking the engine was at a lower RPM, it would not fire injectors or coils at the correct time.


- Could we remove the speed limit as well?
Not with the FIC-6. The FIC-8 (AEM PN 30-1930) includes boost control and one frequency remapping channel. You should be able to use this to trick the stock ECU into thinking it is running at a lower vehicle speed.


- Is worth to use in NA cars?
The FIC was intended to be used in aftermarket turbo installations, but there are a few features that may make it desirable for non-turbo cars. It can do the same thing that many "old school" piggybacks can: clamping or remapping any three 0-5V signals including MAF, MAP, TPS, coolant temp or air intake temp.

[disboiflaco]

hi, well i have a couple questions. im going to get a ported intake manifold and a bigget throttle body(74mm) so the shop im doing it with are going to tune it with  the AEM FIC on my stock 2008 honda civic si.

is this possible with naturally aspirated engine?

will i gain anything? if so around how much?

where  can we mount the AEM FIC if my ECU is in the engine bay?

is there anything we should know?

is there a paticular AEM FIC part number that i need?

please help me out. thanks

[z0n3]

hi, well i have a couple questions. im going to get a ported intake manifold and a bigget throttle body(74mm) so the shop im doing it with are going to tune it with  the AEM FIC on my stock 2008 honda civic si.

is this possible with naturally aspirated engine?

will i gain anything? if so around how much?

where  can we mount the AEM FIC if my ECU is in the engine bay?

is there anything we should know?

is there a paticular AEM FIC part number that i need?

please help me out. thanks

Hi

SB shd be able to reply to your questions above.. but I'd provide some as well

1. is this possible with naturally aspirated engine?
Yes, of course


2. will i gain anything? if so around how much?
That depends... how much porting is going to be done in your IM? In all likelihood, your mods are going to increase the amount of air your engine is able to ingest, and your MAP should be able to "adjust" for the air changes.  your gains really depends on how much improvements to your volumetric efficiency would be.

3. where  can we mount the AEM FIC if my ECU is in the engine bay?
You can hook it up next to your ECU.  Your Civic will have a black ECU cover.. you can mount it on the ECU cover.

4. is there anything we should know?
Just remember that the FIC was desiged for TC or SC on a NA ride, and as such is not designed to advance your timing.

[06civict]

Is it possible to intercept the TPS and use it in analog B?

Right know i'm only able to see TPS value in analog B but i'm not able to change anything.

Thanks for any help!

[SB]

disboiflaco , 
I agree with the advice given above. The FIC was mostly intended to help aftermarket turbo kits run well with the stock ECU. Making power with a turbocharger can be pretty easy: throw a bunch of extra air and fuel in the engine and decrease the amount of ignition advance to prevent detonation. Non-turbo cars require a bit more finesse and the gains do not come as easily, no matter what you are using for engine management. Remember that you can still use the FIC to do what most old-school piggybacks did: alter the MAP or MAF signal going into the stock ECU and trick it into running on a differenr part of its fuel and ignition maps. Unlike old-school piggybacks the FIC can take direct control of the injectors and change the duty cycle in case you want to change injector size or just run the stock injectors at a higher duty cycle.


06civict,
It is definitely possible to intercept one 0-5V signal using the analog B input. However, most OEM pedals and throttles have two sensors for redundancy. If you modify one of these and not the other, the stock ECU will probably get very upset. In short, I wouldn't recommend trying to change any signals related to the accelerator pedal or the electronic throttle motor.

[Blackmagic88]

The F/IC has been succesfully installed on the 2006-2007 Honda Civic. We have tested with the 2.0L Civic Si and the 1.8L Civic.


Please note that the Civic is equipped with both a MAF and MAP sensor, so you will need the new Version 2.01 FIC software. The old software will not allow you to clamp both the MAF and the MAP signals. The new software can be downloaded here: http://forum.aempower.com/forum/index.php/topic,20726.0.html


Also note that the OEM ECU is installed in the engine bay. The FIC is not sealed from moisture, so it must not be installed in the engine bay.


Here is the wiring diagram:

Hello there, i just had the tsi r18 turbo kit installed on my 07 civic lx. The install went very well however the tuning did not. When the FIC is plugged in (using harness from boomslang) the MAF sensor doesn't recieve voltage. When the factory ecu is plugged in without the FIC the MAF works fine. Would the problem be rooted in the software of the FIC or in the PnP harness?

[SB]

When the FIC is plugged in (using harness from boomslang) the MAF sensor doesn't recieve voltage. When the factory ecu is plugged in without the FIC the MAF works fine. Would the problem be rooted in the software of the FIC or in the PnP harness?

Yes, either of those things could cause the stock ECU to throw a code for "low MAF voltage" or something like that.

It will be easier to check your software configuration than to check the wiring:
Open the FIC software.
Open a FIC calibration file.
Connect to the FIC with your laptop; the software may detect a "cal file mismatch,"  be sure to click the [Get From FIC] button.
Open the Gauges window.
Turn the key on (don't start the car yet), look for the 'MAF in'  Volts. If this is connected to the stock MAF sensor, it should be about 0.4-0.8V when the engine is not running. Compare this to the 'MAF out' Volts. They should be the same number.


Please check that and let us know how it goes.